All Comments on 'Pleasurable Pain'

As a forensic practitoner I know that many girls and boys enjoy the pain from mild spanking as part of sexual foreplay. They are not necessarily submissive when they agree to be spanked: often neither one is really dominant or the one being spanked is in control. I have found that it is much the same with simple bondage and mild BDSM. I advise those who consult me that such practices are harmless.

Where cruel BDSM is concerned the situation is different. the dominant person ( who may be the "top" or "the bottom") is perverted and possibly a phschopathic. I advise that medical councilling but a qualified phschotherapist is highly desirable. In English law, many of these practices are illegal and indictable as criminal assault,not with- standing that the person abused states that they consented, such consent is not valid.

for a vanillia person you have actually come most of the way i am whats known as a switch ie i go to both sides of the whip and there is a differance between mild spanking and what it takes to throw a person into sub space everyone is diff but kudos to you for trying

Really thimk about it,yes really think about it before the next time you submit a story

I have to disagree with you on some points (and also with one of your commenting experts). I am a BDSM lifestyler switch, and in submissive mode, with the right person, I am a masochist. Sensation is interpreted input; one's mind chooses, partly, how it is experienced. Pain and pleasure are somewhat like hot and cold. Without seeing the source, an icecube can be interpreted as high heat. Pain for a masochist, under the right circumstances, really can be pleasure. /p

You state "The major difference between a battered spouse and a submissive spouse is that the submissive has agreed to the pain in advance and the dominant spouse has agreed to specific limits (be they narrow or broad) unlike the battering spouse." The difference is not in the battered or submissive spouse. The difference is in the dominant or batterer. A submissive CAN be battered. An abuser cannot dominate; they are incapable of needing or getting uncoerced competent consent - which a dominant needs. That may sound like what you said - but the critical difference is seeing the active person as primarily determining what is going on, rather than giving the abuser's (or dominant's) responsibilities for THEIR actions to the possible victim. An abused person is almost always blamed by the abuser - and an abuser is ALWAYS responsible for what they do (and I don't give a damn what mommy or daddy did to them when they were young). /p

For Anonymous in London poster - I hope you do not consider consensual SM to be "cruel BDSM"; you are doing actual harm to Safe Sane Consensual practiioners if you counsel them that they are pathological. It is scary, yes, and so many D/s people are quick to say, *they* are the perverts not me. Consensual SM of competent adults is however no more psychopathic than other parts of BDSM, or for that matter than sex considered vanilla. It's not even rare. Many people, including vanilla people, like an edge of intense sensation in sex. Yes some consensual sexual behavior is illegal in England, in a few places. So was - in fact IS, in parts of the world - homosexuality. In some places it is socially unacceptable or quasi-illegal for women to enjoy sex. Law is not science or fact. It's usually not decent ethics either, merely majority opinion or practicality at best. In my opinion, defining normal (yes, normal; about 25% of adult sexually active humans practice some form of BDSM including light bondage, mild forced fantasies, hard sex, etc.) as illegal is bad policy, especially when we have actual predators the laws should be focussed on. Actual rape (not forced fantasy; that is NOT the same thing, and extremely common for women and research starts to show for men also) should be intolerable. Abuse of children or not-competent-to-consent adults should be intolerable. These are violent crimes against the very soul of individuals and our communities - but laws and enforcement are weak.

To go along with a little bit what you where saying Pain is literally the Begins of Life. If the Women is a Virgin she would feel pain while having sex. But Regardless Women Feel a Tremendous amount of Pain while Pregnant and especially giving Birth.